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<!doctype html><html lang=en xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml><head><meta charset=UTF-8><meta name=description><meta content="width=device-width,initial-scale=1" name=viewport><meta content=#9a9996 name=theme-color><title>Political Violence - Aron Petau</title><link href=https://aron.petau.net/blog/political-violence/ rel=canonical><link href=https://aron.petau.net/favicon.png rel=icon type=image/png><link href=https://aron.petau.net/apple-touch-icon.png rel=apple-touch-icon sizes=180x180 type=image/png><link title="Aron Petau - RSS Feed" href=https://aron.petau.net/rss.xml rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml><link title="Aron Petau - Atom Feed" href=https://aron.petau.net/atom.xml rel=alternate type=application/atom+xml><style>:root{--accent-color:#6f8396}</style><link href=https://aron.petau.net/style.css rel=stylesheet><link href=https://aron.petau.net/syntax-theme.css rel=stylesheet><script defer src=https://aron.petau.net/closable.js></script><script defer src=https://aron.petau.net/fuse.js></script><script defer src=https://aron.petau.net/search-fuse.js></script><meta content="Aron Petau" property=og:site_name><meta content="Political Violence - Aron Petau" property=og:title><meta content=https://aron.petau.net/blog/political-violence/ property=og:url><meta content="Forum entries from the Seminar: Is political violence justifiable? Reading Judith Butler and Elsa Dorlin" property=og:description><meta content=https://aron.petau.net/card.png property=og:image><meta content=en_US property=og:locale><body><main id=main-content><h1>Political Violence</h1><h2 id=forum-entries-from-the-seminar-is-political-violence-justifiable-reading-judith-butler-and-elsa-dorlin><a aria-label="Anchor link for: forum-entries-from-the-seminar-is-political-violence-justifiable-reading-judith-butler-and-elsa-dorlin" class=zola-anchor href=#forum-entries-from-the-seminar-is-political-violence-justifiable-reading-judith-butler-and-elsa-dorlin>Forum entries from the Seminar: Is political violence justifiable? Reading Judith Butler and Elsa Dorlin</a></h2><h3 id=on-dorlin><a aria-label="Anchor link for: on-dorlin" class=zola-anchor href=#on-dorlin>On Dorlin</a></h3><blockquote class=note><p class=alert-title><i class=icon></i>Note<p>Source Text: Dorlin, Elsa. Se défendre: une philosophie de la violence. Zones, 2017. <a href="https://books.google.de/books?hl=de&lr=&id=MD05DwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT7&dq=dorlin+se+defendre+book&ots=gVZ7VSU867&sig=tMn1dRVSJDkUMBmmtMJOgT8JhcQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=dorlin%20se%20defendre%20book&f=false">Publication (Not yet translated to English)</a></blockquote><p>From the seventh chapter in Dorlins “Self-Defense”, I found the idea that safe spaces are actually prone to be counterproductive very strong. I think the discussion around whether safe spaces are an effective tool that is appropriate on top is a rather current and ongoing one. In so many other words, Dorlin here opens up the idea that the creation of a safe space always implies a hostile “outside” or other space. Further, Dorling sees as problematic that safe spaces will often experience problematic situations when trying to self-govern. The line of thought here is that safe spaces often explicitly reject the authority of traditional state bodies, since those exactly are identified as the oppressive force. This is problematic because then the community inside the safe space has to recreate social norms from scratch and qua definition of a safe space end up being much more restrictive and monitoring, tapping also into potentially extreme measurements for “enforcing” safety. Dorlin notes that by doing this, societal oppressive norms can end up becoming reproduced through the very instance created to shelter from it. I think this opens up 2 points worth discussing: Are there limits to the self-governance of leftist groups? How can self-governance be made possible without recreating some hierarchy or other? Does this ignore that safe spaces can sometimes be essential for survival? According to Dorlin, the alternative seems to be to instead of bu
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